Several basic questions from a complete beginner.. | Page 2

Let's use wine as an analogy. Let's say you happened onto a forum of wine connoisseurs and said "...I'm interested in wine, and would like to get started with some good vintages. I've tried A and B and C but would like some suggestions....". You'd get plenty of suggestions. Suggestions involving storage, decanting, etc. that might be far, far more involved that you wanted. "But, can't I just drink it..??..." would be a reasonable question and you'd likely get some terse replies.

Now, think about the audience you have here. You have folks with years of experience and tens of thousands of dollars invested. A couple of them actually know a thing or two.

What's a little frustrating is that every one of your questions has been answered, more than once, in these forums. "Read more, post less" makes perfect sense. I'm sure you've used a search engine before, you should do so here. Let me break it down for you a little.....

Starflyte said:

I just don't get why you all are talking about coolers and tupperware containers... are you all saying that none of the wood humidors on the cigar sites work?

Maybe I'm being shallow, but I kinda envisioned pulling out a nice box of cigars, when I had company - not a picnic cooler from the garage, or a cheap tupperware container.

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By all means, buy a $30.00 wooden humidor and have at it. Some work very well....some don't work worth a damn. Which one will you get..?? Who knows..?? Do you care more about how the cigars look, or how they smoke? Humidors that don't seal properly are awesomely frustrating to deal with. Which is why lots of folks recommend Tupperware or Store-N-Lock or a cooler. If you spend a hundred bucks or more on a desktop, you'll probably get a decent one. Probably.

Starflyte said:

How long do cigars last inside a regular cigar box (non-humidor box)?

If the purpose of a humidor is to age the cigar, so that it can increase in flavor, why would you leave it in the plastic?

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How long cigars will last in a 'regular cigar box' depends on the ambient relative humidity and temperature. If you live somewhere where the RH and temp is 65% / 65F year round, they'll last darn near forever. If you live where the RH is 40%, they'll be dry as tent pegs in a week or less. If you live where the RH is 90%, they'll swell up and the wrappers will burst when you smoke them. Probably mold up like old bread, too.

They aren't in "plastic" they are in a material that breathes quite well. You would want to leave the sticks in the cello to prevent wrapper and foot damage. Or take them out....your call.

Starflyte said:

Monitoring "hygrometers" and so forth sounds like growing/caring for a plant. This seems like something that requires attention and monitoring, so that nothing bad happens. That seems to take what WOULD be an enjoyable hobby and release, into another thing to worry about, and that requires work. I'm guessing this is a main hobby that many of you all spend a considerable amount of time on. Do you not get that some people might want to learn about and enjoy cigars, but don't want to make it into a time-consuming hobby?

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Get a tupperware container, throw in a Bovida pack, and you are done. You have essentially perfect storage for cheap with almost zero maintenance. This is solid advice for the beginner. It requires almost no attention and consumes almost no time. You need go no further if this gives you the storage you need.

If you want a wood humidor, it'll need to be seasoned and have it's RH monitored...because it doesn't seal up like tupperware. Just takes a bit of attention. Heck, lots of folks actually enjoy the process.

Lastly, this is a hobby most of us are passionate about, but honestly it takes only the amount of time you want to put into it. You could say the same thing about aquariums, firearms, outdoor recreation....whatever.

Do you not get that you are thumbing your nose at folks with many years of experience? Do you not get that you are coming off as insulting and childish...??

You have asked for knowledge, and received it. Normally, I'd suggest saying "thanks for the help" instead of whining about not hearing what you wanted to hear. Just a thought.....

B.B.S.

I'll try one more time......Let's use wine as an analogy. Let's say you happened onto a forum of wine connoisseurs and said "...I'm interested in wine, and would like to get started with some good vintages. I've tried A and B and C but would like some suggestions....". You'd get plenty of suggestions. Suggestions involving storage, decanting, etc. that might be far, far more involved that you wanted. "But, can't I just drink it..??..." would be a reasonable question and you'd likely get some terse replies.Now, think about the audience you have here. You have folks with years of experience and tens of thousands of dollars invested. A couple of them actually know a thing or two.What's a little frustrating is thatone of your questions has been answered, more than once, in these forums. "Read more, post less" makes perfect sense. I'm sure you've used a search engine before, you should do so here. Let me break it down for you a little.....By all means, buy a $30.00 wooden humidor and have at it. Some work very well....some don't work worth a damn. Which one will you get..?? Who knows..?? Do you care more about how the cigars look, or how they smoke? Humidors that don't seal properly are awesomely frustrating to deal with. Which is why lots of folks recommend Tupperware or Store-N-Lock or a cooler. If you spend a hundred bucks or more on a desktop, you'll probably get a decent one. Probably.How long cigars will last in a 'regular cigar box' depends on the ambient relative humidity and temperature. If you live somewhere where the RH and temp is 65% / 65F year round, they'll last darn near forever. If you live where the RH is 40%, they'll be dry as tent pegs in a week or less. If you live where the RH is 90%, they'll swell up and the wrappers will burst when you smoke them. Probably mold up like old bread, too.They aren't in "plastic" they are in a material that breathes quite well. You would want to leave the sticks in the cello to prevent wrapper and foot damage. Or take them out....your call.Get a tupperware container, throw in a Bovida pack, and you are done. You have essentially perfect storage for cheap with almost zero maintenance. This isadvice for the beginner. It requires almost no attention and consumes almost no time. You need go no further if this gives you the storage you need.If you want a wood humidor, it'll need to be seasoned and have it's RH monitored...because it doesn't seal up like tupperware. Just takes a bit of attention. Heck, lots of folks actually enjoy the process.Lastly, this is a hobby most of us are passionate about, but honestly it takes only the amount of time you want to put into it. You could say the same thing about aquariums, firearms, outdoor recreation....whatever.Do you not get that you are thumbing your nose at folks with many years of experience? Do you not get that you are coming off as insulting and childish...??You have asked for knowledge, and received it. Normally, I'd suggest saying "thanks for the help" instead of whining about not hearing what you wanted to hear. Just a thought.....B.B.S.

Hello,

I have three questions-

I did a search and saw that most of you recommend an xtreme cooler with packs, instead of  a humidor.

I wanted to purchase a gift for my husband and would feel kind of chintzy giving him a cooler for xmas

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I did purchase Paradigm Humidifier for him, because I don't think he will remember to check the packs every few days. (I purchased him cigars in Ireland and I have forgotten to wet the packs for over a week, so I can only imagine with snow coming and him plowing days at a time, he will forget as well).

1. is there any starter humidor that you recommend? I have been looking at reviews etc, but not sure if they are all shills handpicked by the various companies.

2. Has anyone used the paradigm humidifier and did you find it worked well?

3. (I feel stupid asking this) I totally forgot to purchase distilled water for the packs, so I literally boiled water for a few minutes, let it cool and used that. Kind of a homemade distillation. I realize this isn't the best option, but did I totally ruin the pack and need to purchase a new one, or should I just use the real distilled water when the pack dries out?

Thank you!!

 

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