Thinking of getting hydraulic hose crimping machine/fittings ...

G'day all,I need some help. A friend of mine has an American made high pressure carpet cleaning gizmo that has automatic fill and pump out. Only problem is the low pressure side fittings are standard US thread garden hose connectors - and we can't get 'em here....The hose size is 12mm or 1/2" (which is 12.7mm) and the thread size is 1 1/16" "American Thread"What he needs the male end connector for the inlet and the female connector for the outlet. For durability they really need to be brass. In addition the coupling that fits the hose to perform the quick connect is also required.I've had a look on Amazon but being unfamiliar with the US design of these things I'm, having trouble identifying the parts I need - it actually seems they probably don't carry them, but I have found a plastic version of one of the connectors that he needs:Can someone help me find appropriate brands and US descriptions of the male and female thread connectors plus the actual quick connect hose fittings please?

G'day John,thanks for the assist, but I'm not sure they're carrying what I need.This:looks OK but it say's 3/4", not 1 1/16"This one:is, I think, close. but again talks about 3/4" and I don't see how it can clamp the hose in the end I can't see.And they don't seem to have the male threaded one at all.Tell me, what is the most common garden hose diameter in the US. 3/4" or 1/2" ? We mostly use 1/2"

We got 'em all -
1/2" 5/8" and 3/4" as far as the hose diameter goes goes.

The connectors are usually 1/2" or 3/4" depending on the flow needed and the pipe the plumber left ya with to connect to.

Commercial units tend to be 3/4" and residential usually 1/2"

Lawrie,I am guessing you have already checked with the manufacture of the "American made high pressure carpet cleaning gizmo" and their parts department? If not homedepot.com or any garden hose manufacture should be able to take care of you.Man what are you doing cleaning carpets . . . you should be out playing music!Good Luck,

Lawrie,Be sure to get a male and female pair of the correct parts when you find them. That way you can breed them as needed. You wanna spay or neuter the offspring, though, so you won't be overrun by the lil boogers. Or you can have a profitable sideline run out of your garage or garden shed!R.

Believe it or not, the engineering designator you are looking for is "Garden Hose" fittings.Be advised that direct measurement of a lot of SAE plumbing stuff doesn't actually correspond to what the size they call the fitting is. Just to confuse, I guess. So it is sometimes a measurement of 7/8" but the fitting may well be designated as a 3/4. Stuff like that.Some web places that may ship down under, be sure to inquire first and get it in writing:Note: It may well be faster and easier to find out if there are locally available hose ends for your country that could be attached permanently to the machine, rather than searching for adaptors.A good man with a brazing torch can also rig one side to another by brazing two together in the middle...--Mac

Thanks guy's for the humour as well as the help.Danny, I'm not the carpet cleaner, it's for a mate of mine. I have a business in IT.Mac, we've tried here in Oz and cannot find anything with US thread. Add to that the images I'm seeing don't quite match up to what I'm expecting. Probably a difference in manufacturer's approach but it does make it difficult for me to identify things with sufficient confidence.Your suggestion about brazing some fittings together is OK, except I don't have anything with the right threads to start with - I may have to turn something up on my lathe (provided the thread cutting gearbox will allow me to get the right pitch) but I'm not really looking forward to that little task. Much easier to just buy the right ones from the US - or at least I thought it would be.For example, how does this guy clamp to the hose?I can't see the hose side and it doesn't resemble similar things here in Oz enough for me to be confident that it's the unit I want. An added difficulty is that the quick connect side is a different design to the ones we use here so I need to get ALL the connectors.OTOH, this one is fine: http://www.factorydirecthose.com/site//product/QC10M And this one would be OK if I was sure of the thread:

Me, I don't like any of that that "A'merican Made" stuff. If I come across any American gizmo I remove it with my Leatherman tool, aided by the light of my Mag-lite taking care not to ruin my Levi's

G'day Mac,
unfortunately these fittings are right at the surface of the machine's side and not easily accessible from inside - it would be a major dismantling job to get at them.

If they were just BSP instead of SAE(?) I'd have no trouble.

The fittings on the machine are 1*male and 1*female threaded garden hose connections.

Lawrie,Might help if we actually knew what the machine was.However, let's go back to the FactoryDIrectHose page, or whatever it is.You have a male end there. Cut the hose you're using, and use a simple hose clamp to keep it snug on that end. That coupling will screw into the female coupling on the machine, with no other issue.This device http://www.factorydirecthose.com/site//product/BA977 will screw onto the male connector on the machine, giving you another female coupling. You will then cut the other hose, put ANOTHER of the first male coupling on it, and then have two hoses with two male couplings, one of which goes to the female coupling on the machine and the second will go to the male coupling that has a double sided female adapter on it.In the end, you have two female couplings on the machine, and two male couplings on the end of the hoses.The hoses are .5" for each, and if they're slightly larger, then the hose clamp will hold it in place. IF they're slightly smaller, your friend may struggle to get them on, but the hose clamp will keep it there.HTH,Gary

G'day Gary,
OK, the machine pumps hot water into the carpet via a pair of Gernie heads in a wand and immediately extracts it again through a second part of the wand. It is NOT a "steam cleaner" but a professional machine that is absolutely amazing to watch - your carpet literally changes colour before your eyes, and the mud it extracts has to be seen to be believed - and this from carpets you would swear were perfectly clean.

Right, it has a clean water reservior and a grey water reservior. The hose fittings I want are intended to allow quick connection of supply and pump out hoses so he doesn't have to mess around with buckets to fill and empty it all the time.

There are screw fittings using US thread (SAE?) already there with blanking plug and cap to prevent spillage when there are no hoses connected.

One screw fitting is female, the other male.

In Australia, we use quick connect fittings that clamp to each end the hose. These fittings are female and receive the male portion of the screwed fittings that fit to, for example, a garden sprinkler or trigger nozzle or the like. These appliances require the male threaded adaptor for the quick connector as they have a female threaded opening built into them.

At the other end, the yard tap (faucet?) has a male threaded outlet so we use the female threaded quick connect adaptor for that end, thus the hose can be used in either direction as both ends have the same quick connect receptacle.

From what I can see in the online catalogues you guys in the US seem to use some other kind of system, 'cos I cannot seem to find all the bits...

We need to equip 2 hoses:
1st hose:
US quick connect receptacle clamped to one end and an Australian quick connect receptacle at the other end.

2nd hose:
US quick connect receptacle clamped to one end, the other end will be au natural as it will just empty down a drain somewhere.

For the machine we need:
1*male threaded (US 1 1/16" thread {3/4" ???} quick connect adaptor
1*female threaded (US 1 1/16" thread {3/4" ???} quick connect adaptor

The hoses will be 12mm - near enough that a 1/2" quick connect adaptor will be fine - just stretch the hose a little - no problem.

We specifically do not want to clamp hoses to threaded connectors as it will waste time and be awkward trying to twist 30 or 40 metres of hose to screw the things into the machine.

All the hardware sites seem to have plenty of the male threaded adaptors - does the US use yard taps (faucets?) with female threads??? It sure seems that way... And the hose quick connect receptacles - how do you fit these 'cos I can't seem to find anything that simply clamps to the hose - they all seem to have a female thread in them rather than a mechanism to clamp to the hose ?????????????????

We want to use brass for durability. This is a commercial operation and reliability is important.

If I seem confused it's because I am. The garden supply web sites don't seem to have all the bits, certainly not in the way I expect from what we use here.

Lawrie--

i can easily pick up some fittings designed to couple to American threaded garden hose connections, several male and several female, and the other end will have a rather standard fluted hose nipple on it for friction fit into 1/2" or so ID hose. You then put an automotive hose clamp around hose and nipple and have a connection.

You could even make short hose "adaptors" to go to whatever sizes you use down under.

i could try shipping them to you.

Don't know anything about duty and all there, but heck, the things only cost a buck or two this side so if declared, it might work.

if you want to follow up, send me a PM.

--Mac

Lawrie,
Mainly because we don't use Quick Couple adapters up here. Our wall mounted faucets are male, and the female screws to them, and then the other end of the hose is male, allowing for female devices to be attached.

To prevent having to twist metres and metres of hose, only the 'nut' part of the female coupling turns, until it is tight, and that tightness ensures a seal against the hose or device.

Literally, if you do what I told you above, it'll work just fine. You'll need to modify your hoses, but it'll work out just fine, and which quick connect is faster, there isn't too much time spent doing this, either.

Gary

I think I can ship Lawrie 4 of the standard 3/4" garden hose "barb adaptors" that he could either fasion hose-to-hose couplings or go further and trim to suit and either braze or silver-solder his own brass couplings onto.They would look like this:I notice that there are also some for 5/8" hose, too.Why 4 of them? So a mistake can be made, or for "just in case" spares.--Mac

Ah, but the hoses are not an accurate measurement of the connector.
Kitchen faucet standard hose - 1/2" threaded at one end, yet 3/8 tubing (often)
Similar for Hi-Pressure hoses a lot of the time (pressure washers, etc.)

The actual measurement of the fitting itself is what matters
Mac knows this, and I'm sure the PM'ing will provide sufficient data!

Don't let the size of the hose fool ya!

G'day Gary,The female coupling you describe would be suitable for one hose, but the other one needs the male connector. To screw it in my mate would have to twist 10's of metres of hose. Besides, once you've used our quick connects you'd never go back.The ID of the hose is 12 mm - they go about 15 mm OD.This is an Aussie plastic kit with 2 hose ends - they clamp to the hose (orange end) and provide the quick connect receptacle (blue/green end), then there is the tap (faucet?) adapter and in this case a trigger nozzle rather than the male threaded coupler I need. These ones are plastic and, of course, in BSP rather than the SAE(?) thread used in the states.Mac's offer of barb ends got me to thinking about whether I could manufacture something from those and locally sourced brass quick connect fittings so we can use Australian quick connect hose ends. This has got me to thinking further about what SAE thread brass tubing that may be available here to use in the manufacture of the couplings I need.I will continue to be in touch with Mac and I'm sure that I'll get things sorted out.Mac, I'd like to public thank you for your gracious offer of assistance which I will gladly take you up on if I still need to.

Shoulda called Ricky Nelson....

Went to a garden party to reminisce with my old friends
A chance to share old memories and play our songs again
When I got to the garden party, the fittings all were strange
I couldn't hook them up, they were a royal pain

CHORUS
But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself

People came from miles around, everyone was there
Mac brought his spanner, there was magic in the air
'n' over in the corner, much to my surprise
Dr. Gannon hid in Dylan's shoes wearing his disguise

But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
The Yanks have funny fittings, they don't work down under well.

Eventually everything will 'sync'.

I remember before leaving the Forest Industry (I ended up the Fire Marshal and weekend Camp foreman), we quit buying Caterpillar Tractors due to the non-metric thing. None of ever thought we'd see that day, we had about 30 Cats from D7's to D9's.

Bought Kubotas.....

And they sold wheeled skidders and we replaced them with Swedish ones. The Swedes had nice calendars...LOL...right short shorts and a bikini top on a machine in the bush with our skeeters and flies...LOL.

I worked for the last Canadian Fire Department that did not go metric. We took a terrible time over that...from others. Worked for us.

I stumbled across an apartment fire, 3rd floor, ladder to the balcony. A former friend of mine was the captain and the engineer yells I don't know what to pump at...he says "ask the bald guy with the beard..." I yell 225 psi at your 3rd guage. Guy fires it up, I step on the hose and say, 'back of 10 psi.' Got a call 2 days later, John the Italian captain says, "those kids were really impressed..." Now if they changed to metric I'd just stand on the hose and guess.....

All my garden stuff is quick connect. The faucet going out of the house has an 8 inch stem to keep the valve well inside the house, otherwise it would freeze. That's like our fire hydrants, 8 foot stem to the main....or they'd freeze too....

It's +1 today, HEAT WAVE! I love it, except it's damp and makes my arthritis scream.

1 million Canucks this year are going to Cuba on vacation. I did last year, might go to Ecuador this year, not sure yet. For CDN $ or about US I can fly return to Aussie to one city on a pass and take in three more before heading home. Sounds like a good deal but my feet swell if I leave them down longer than 7 hours. The last long bus trip I took I couldn't wear my shoes the 2nd day....

Hope you sort this out. Ain't culture wonderful!?

Thinking of getting hydraulic hose crimping machine/fittings ...

Thinking of getting hydraulic hose crimping machine/fittings ...

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