Modulating Pilot - Safety Relief Valve engineering (PSV)

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Modulating Pilot - when to use

Modulating Pilot - when to use

Bill

(Chemical)

(OP)

2 Mar 10 18:44

Under what circumstances should I consider a modulating, vs. non-modulating, pilot valve?

RE: Modulating Pilot - when to use

Jefka

(Chemical)

11 Mar 10 13:05

My understanding is that modulating valves can be used to avoid PSV chatter due to oversizing.  In one case, a client of mine bought a vessel with a large orifice (16 sq inch) relief valve.  The vessel needed only a 4 sq in orifice and I determined the cost of switching to a modulating pilot was actually less than the cost of purchasing a more moderately-sized relief valve.

One case where a modulating would not be recommended is if you have a high Joule-Thompson effect during discharge.  In some cases, ice could potentially form (if discharging vaporizing water) and block the discharge.

There are certainly other reasons to choose one over the other too but those are my thoughts.

RE: Modulating Pilot - when to use

EGT01

(Chemical)

18 Mar 10 16:32

Here are some additional considerations...
http://farris.cwfc.com/Products/spokes/reliefValves.htm

As another consideration, typically you will not want a pop open pilot valve for liquid relief scenarios in order to avoid liquid, hydraulic hammer issues. You should consider the modulating design for liquid relief.Here are some additional considerations...

RE: Modulating Pilot - when to use

itascot

(Industrial)

22 Mar 10 13:22

One of the main reasons in choosing valve action type is, modulating will keep constant discharge, pop (or sometimes known as "snap acting") give fast relief & reseating pressure well below set pressure.
If your system is constantly working over set pressure, a pop acting will keep blowing off, reseating, blowing off, reseating.....a modulating valve will keep constant discharge..(think of it a a pressure regulator action....working on discharge)...I would get my knuckless whacked by my old chargehand should he read this last bit.
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Modulating valves vs circulator control

A buddy of mine has a radiant install. He says that control should be through a modulating valve and controller. The supply house has spec'd my job using circulator control.

In the last conversion I did, which was purely baseboard, I connected the thermostats to an ARM relay box which in turn operated the circulators when heat was called for.

If I understand the modulating valve, it's a three way valve that combines hot boiler water with the radiant return water. The thermostat (maybe a special one?) connects to the actuator which controls the mix of the water to get the desired temperature. The circulator valve is always running.

Way off base here?

Modulating Pilot - Safety Relief Valve engineering (PSV)

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Modulating Pilot - when to use

Modulating Pilot - when to use

Bill

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2 Mar 10 18:44

Under what circumstances should I consider a modulating, vs. non-modulating, pilot valve?

RE: Modulating Pilot - when to use

Jefka

(Chemical)

11 Mar 10 13:05

My understanding is that modulating valvesmodulating valves can be used to avoid PSV chatter due to oversizing.  In one case, a client of mine bought a vessel with a large orifice (16 sq inch) relief valve.  The vessel needed only a 4 sq in orifice and I determined the cost of switching to a modulating pilot was actually less than the cost of purchasing a more moderately-sized relief valve.

One case where a modulating would not be recommended is if you have a high Joule-Thompson effect during discharge.  In some cases, ice could potentially form (if discharging vaporizing water) and block the discharge.

There are certainly other reasons to choose one over the other too but those are my thoughts.

RE: Modulating Pilot - when to use

EGT01

(Chemical)

18 Mar 10 16:32

Here are some additional considerations...
http://farris.cwfc.com/Products/spokes/reliefValves.htm

As another consideration, typically you will not want a pop open pilot valve for liquid relief scenarios in order to avoid liquid, hydraulic hammer issues. You should consider the modulating design for liquid relief.Here are some additional considerations...

RE: Modulating Pilot - when to use

itascot

(Industrial)

22 Mar 10 13:22

One of the main reasons in choosing valve action type is, modulating will keep constant discharge, pop (or sometimes known as "snap acting") give fast relief & reseating pressure well below set pressure.
If your system is constantly working over set pressure, a pop acting will keep blowing off, reseating, blowing off, reseating.....a modulating valve will keep constant discharge..(think of it a a pressure regulator action....working on discharge)...I would get my knuckless whacked by my old chargehand should he read this last bit.
Ciao,

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Modulating valves vs circulator control

A buddy of mine has a radiant install. He says that control should be through a modulating valve and controller. The supply house has spec'd my job using circulator control.

In the last conversion I did, which was purely baseboard, I connected the thermostats to an ARM relay box which in turn operated the circulators when heat was called for.

If I understand the modulating valve, it's a three way valve that combines hot boiler water with the radiant return water. The thermostat (maybe a special one?) connects to the actuator which controls the mix of the water to get the desired temperature. The circulator valve is always running.

Way off base here?